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graduated from theU. S. Coast Guard Academy in 1981 and served 10 years active duty as a commissioned officer before joining his brother Dave in the brokerage business as a key member of The Chittenden Group. For the past 24 years Chittenden has specialized in disability income and critical illness sales. In 2006, The Chittendens, headed by CEO Dave Chittenden, joined The Plus Group and became The Plus Group Arizona. Chittenden is a founding member of the International DI Society, is a past President of his local NAIFA chapter and still currently serves on the board. Chittenden can be reached at The Plus Group Arizona/The Chittenden Group, 3821 E Indian School Rd, Phoenix, AZ 85018. Telephone: 602-955-4773. Email: dale@plusgroupus.com.

Disability Insurance Awareness Month Planning Panel

Q: What special initiatives is your agency/company undertaking to take advantage of Disability Insurance Awareness Month? What do you do to build on your DIAM momentum to help agents perpetuate DI awareness throughout the year?

Bloch
Income protection is promoted to our producers 24/7/365. During Disability Insurance Awareness Month, our agency holds an exciting day of learning and reward achievement at our DI Day. Each year at DI Day, we provide different agendas for our producers to keep knowledge and industry trends up to date. Solutions based discussions create innovation and presentations of real world examples of the value of disability insurance, such as “It happened to me.” Our carriers send top executives to support DI Day as well as participate in carrier panels. Panels of producers share sales ideas and presentation methods to provide easy and successful ways to present income protection coverage. After lunch, there is a “fun” golf tournament with prizes and a donation to a worthy charity.

Chittenden
This year we are doing something different. Rather than sponsoring a big DI Day, we are launching a series of small regional/office DI Days. The big seminar with speakers is very effective in some locales, but we have not found it to be beneficial for us. Nor have we found it keeps the interest going no matter how excited brokers are leaving the meeting. The problem we have found with the large annual meeting is that sales come from habitual behavior and habitual behavior is not created in a once a year rah-rah meeting. So we are bringing DIAM into our brokers’ offices. We are holding a series of smaller meetings during DIAM and then establishing ongoing one hour training sessions on a monthly or quarterly basis. This way we can help our brokers develop the habit of asking the right questions to identify the problems that are solved by DI. We help them identify problems and sell solutions.

Petersen
We try and remind insurance professionals that each year DIAM highlights the need for income protection to the public through numerous tools and outlets. It is an awareness, not a sales strategy. However, it is this increased awareness that makes it prime time to focus on marketing and talking to clients about the need for income protection for both personal and business needs.

Phillips
The biggest initiative we undertake for DI Awareness month is our DI Day event along with our partner agencies in the Plus Group around the country.

Truth be told we usually don’t make it a whole day, so perhaps we should label it our “DI Morning.” For three or four hours we’ll do presentations on the products that make up the DI marketplace, and have sales sessions to help advisors with ideas and tips to sell more DI to their clients and introduce it to their practices. Very often we’ll attach Continuing Education credits to the advisors as well.

This year, our event is tentatively set at our go-to venue for our DI Days, The Rivers Casino in downtown Pittsburgh on May 22. The Casino offers beautiful meeting rooms. At our first DI Day years ago, an advisor won $800 in the casino after the event! That’s a sure way to get a repeat attendee! Although we are trying to raise awareness for disability insurance, we still try and make the day as fun as possible for anyone who attends. That’s why organizers do usually try and plan a casino event afterward. Before this next event, some guests may want to take some time to brush up on their casino skills by looking into this mega888 download. This should ensure that people stand a better chance of winning. If people want more of a variety with their online casino playing, they can look to other sites that may have what they are looking for, for example, they may want to play on 918kaya apk, or similar, to brush up on their skills, whichever one they choose as long as they play responsibly they’ll have a lot of fun. Just make sure to check how highly any online casino is rated before you start using it – the best way to do this is to head over to casino-bonus.me.uk and read some reviews. Alternatively, they could conduct a direct search using specific phrases to find the best sites to play gambling games. If a person wishes to try his or her luck at Ripple casinos, websites such as Crypto Snack may be of assistance by recommending the best ripple casino sites available online.

For us DI Awareness doesn’t only occur in May. We are constantly offering training events and opportunities during the year. We have ongoing meetings, webinars, and broadcast emails that provide advisors the opportunity to learn about DI. Our meetings take the form of what I call our “Big Hotel Meetings in the Sky” where we’ll rent a room at a hotel and bring in an industry speaker or company rep to talk DI. We hope to get 50 or so brokers to one of those events.

We also have geographically oriented “DI hand-to-hand Combat Sessions” where we’ll do smaller, more intimate meetings in handy locales, with the intent of getting 5-10 advisors in attendance. These are more intimate sessions where we’ll peel apart products and provide ideas as to how to sell this stuff.

And, of course, we’re old fashioned. We still meet with brokers to provide training in their offices to themselves and their staff-often with CE just for them.

For us there is no “DI Awareness Month” it’s more like the “DI Awareness Continuum.”

Perry/Bowden
We participate in many of our general agencies’ DI Days providing presentations on the importance of disability and awareness of the products available to clients who are not able to obtain disability in the standard market. We also provide webinars throughout DIAM to educate agents who are not aware of the high risk products that are available and how to capitalize on the declined cases they may have received.

Schnittker
This year we are doing more agency meetings, road shows, individual sit downs, presentations to local financial associations, study groups, etc. We are more visible than ever, just in different capacities. We will continue to educate going forward.

During DIAM we will utilize different tag lines on emails and correspondence. We will send out more marketing emails to our brokers discussing DIAM, and offering sales tips, marketing facts, and bringing them up to speed on the resources that are available.

What suggestions do you have for brokers to help them take advantage of DIAM and engage clients/prospects in the DI discussion?
Bloch
Innovation and unique sales ideas and products provide opportunities for our producers to engage their prospects in the DI discussion. This includes individual as well as business solutions.
Chittenden
They need to become a believer in protecting their client’s income. In order to become a believer they have to understand the magnitude of the problem that exists when one is sick or hurt and cannot work and be able to convey that information to their clients. They need to be willing to talk about income protection-which should be part of the conversation with all their clients that are still in the income earning years. So, this should not be a once a year emphasis but part of every client interaction. If a broker is not comfortable talking about income protection with their client, and passionate about the extreme need to cover this risk, then they won’t sell it. But more important, they are leaving a major risk to their client unaddressed. The increased attention that will be given to income protection during DIAM in most industry periodicals, like Broker World and others, will provide a lot of extra education and sales ideas. They need to take advantage of this and take it to heart.
Petersen
First, Life Happens and the Council for Disability Awareness have incredible tools for producers to tap into. These sources are printed, electronic and in video formats. Most of them are even free! Look at these websites. They can be found via google search or through many websites who link to them, such as our own website at www.piu.org. Second, talk to your clients. There is no need for a pressure sale, just a reminder of the “what happens when income stops.” Lastly, take advantage of May and June to promote disability insurance since the public campaign is going full tilt throughout May. People are in tune and open to the discussion!
Phillips
My mantra on the subject of increasing DI sales is-just ask! The unfortunate fact is that this market is not highly penetrated. Chances are that just asking a client or prospect, “What planning have you done to protect your income?” will lead to further conversation and discussion about the subject.
Now that’s where we come in. We have more than enough resources to help out the broker as he works the paycheck protection market. We have three models of engagement:
  • Traditional Wholesale Brokerage: Just like we’ve always done, we provide the advisor with support, quotes, advice and materials to close the sale. We guide, the broker decides how to best present to his or her client and solely engages the client on his own.
  • Concierge Service: We have found that many brokers just don’t want to “go it alone.” They’re uncomfortable with the product, the market-and very often the client! So we’ll provide point-of-sale support, quarterbacking the interface with the client and presenting the DI concept for the broker.

    While there are some “DI Specialists” out there, I’ve found that-rightly or wrongly-there is discomfort in exposing their client to another broker. The old “Fox in the Henhouse” concern. We’re a trusted, credible third party who will not try to “steal a client” from an advisor. It’s not what we do.

  • Our third model is “Pure DI Partnership.” Many times we’re finding advisors-especially in investment firms and property/casualty shops-just don’t want to fool with something outside of their realm of expertise. They refer their clients to us for us to handle their DI needs. This, frankly, has been a transition for me as I’m an old-guard BGA who has never really attacked the market this way. But it’s apparent that this is a model that some of our firms and advisors desire.
Perry/Bowden
Hosting webinars and DI Days is a great time to take advantage of DIAM by presenting as much information and training as possible to agents regarding making DI sales.
Tax season is always a great time to bring up the subject of DI, especially during an annual and/or monthly portfolio review.
Schnittker
We encourage our brokers/agents to own the DI on themselves, and we will specifically be discussing that fact during DIAM. We encourage brokers to have the “what if” conversation with their clients when they are delivering other financial solutions (life, annuities, LTCI, etc.), especially if their client has just gone through medical underwriting and they have gotten the green light on their health.
What advice can you offer brokers who are not DI specialists to make it easier for them to approach their clients about DI?
Bloch
To help our inexperienced producers, we created a simple yet effective training module to help open the income protection conversation during or after the life insurance discussion. By discussing income protection in the same terms as life insurance, it has made it easier to transition from one product to another. It is important to note that this simple approach allows us to tailor the appropriate coverage at an affordable pricing structure. This helps the producer from getting “into the weeds” and feeling uncomfortable.
Chittenden
K. I. S. Keep It Simple! Income protection is not a complicated issue. The broker has to make the client aware of the problem and the basics of the solution. The problem is that if his income stops, how does he survive? If the client is working to pay the bills and fund financial plans, what happens to the bills and the plans if the paychecks stop? We are all one heartbeat, one auto accident, one major sickness away from a stopped paycheck. If that happens it impacts everyone that depends on them. What is the plan? The solution being that income protection policies replace a portion of their income if, due to injury or illness, their paycheck stops. Keep it at the Big Picture level. Brokers can rely on MGA’s like my office to help them with the details and to find the correct product from the correct carrier once they have educated the client on the importance of protecting his income and cultivated a desire to solve the problem. They don’t have to, nor should they, try to get into the detailed mechanics of the product until they have educated the client on the importance of protecting their income. Identify the problem and tell them there is a solution.
Petersen
Talk to your clients! You are the financial expert. They have called you for advice, so advise them! If you sell life insurance, you usually speak in terms of income replacement due to death. Income for keeping the home, business or family intact. What if you don’t die? It’s the same story, just a different product. If you sell medical insurance, the reasons usually fall into the category of need because of the high cost of getting well. It is an income story! Isn’t this the same need for income protection? Just talk to them. They can decide if it is time to buy or not, but if they don’t know about the products available, the options they have, or the need, then they can never get a chance to buy!
Phillips
To coin the old Nike tagline, the best advice I can give is, “Just Do It.” We have your back in any of the ways described in question number two.
Perry/Bowden
The life and DI conversations go hand in hand. Essentially, any conversation pertaining to retirement vehicles can open the door to the subject of DI. Once the initial conversation has taken place, open the discussion for DI by asking the client, “How would you pay for these products if you became disabled?” The agent should present statistics for disability to the client indicating that one in four Americans will become disabled before retirement. Encourage any producer with a challenging case to reach out to a disability insurance specialist in order to discuss the various nonstandard tools that are readily available for their clients to utilize.
Schnittker
We continue to communicate to brokers that we are their income protection department. They do not need to be DI experts, that is why we are here. DI is outta sight, outta mind-if we are not in front of the agent they are selling something else.
What techniques can you recommend to brokers to successfully address DI needs in the business market?
Bloch
There is incredible potential in the business market. An easy starting point with the business owner is having a discussion surrounding a Group LTD plan. Although many businesses provide this coverage, plan design and quality provisions are oftentimes inadequate. With Group LTD as a starting point, it is then easy to identify potential additional needs, such as guarantee standard issue individual plans to cover additional income, Business Overhead Expense insurance, Key Person, Buy-Sell, Pension.
Chittenden
Ask Questions! Ask questions. Did I say ask questions? By asking questions, it transforms the conversation from you trying to sell something to you being a trusted advisor solving a problem your client has. The transition to addressing income protection for a life client, a health insurance client, a financial planning client or any other client is all similar. Additionally, I would suggest that the transition is very simple and easy. After the life sale, it is as simple as asking, “What happens if you don’t die?” After the health sale it can be as simple as, “Now that we have the doctors and hospital paid if you are injured or sick, who is going to pay you?” After the financial plan is funded, “What happens if you get hurt or sick-what happens to this plan?” What is the plan if their paycheck stops? For most people all of their security and dreams for the future come from their paycheck. Once the client understands and acknowledges that fact, it is not hard to get them to want to protect it against disability. It is similar for business owners, but the key is that once you get them to see the importance of protecting their own income, you need to get them to understand they have two incomes to protect. Their business income is just as much at risk if they can’t work. So, ask questions: “Mr. Business owner, if you could not work for a period of time, would your business survive until you got back on your feet?” “Does your business have enough cash flow to sustain itself if you are out for six months or a year?” “Would your employees stay?” “Would you be forced to fire sale your business or worse?” The same risk management issues exist for businesses that exist for an individual plus some. Brokers need to view themselves as problem solvers for their business owner clients. They are advising on the risks and exposures the owner faces and recommending solutions to minimize that exposure.
Petersen
Again, talk to your client! Business tune ups are important. At least once a year an insurance advisor should be looking at existing coverage and counseling a business client on the need for more, different or changes to insurance protection. If the focus has always been on life insurance, the conversation is simple-“I am so glad you have the life insurance to cover the xxx (buy-sell, keyperson, bank loan, etc.). Have you ever stopped and considered what you would do financially if there was a disability involved? You would have the same financial obligations, but without disability insurance in place you would have to self-fund these obligations. For a few dollars we can cover that exposure too!
Phillips
Business Overhead Expense coverage is a woefully undersold product.
Perry/Bowden
Encourage any producer with a challenging case to reach out to a disability insurance specialist in order to discuss the various nonstandard tools that are readily available for their clients to utilize.
Extend options past the standard carrier when necessary. Through collaborative efforts, nonstandard carriers may be able to offer viable asset protection. Nonstandard carriers have the ability to use creative solutions to safeguard residual income in order to maintain the lifestyle clients have worked diligently to achieve.
Schnittker
We encourage agents to have the conversation with their clients, “If you were sick or hurt and could not work, what would you like to provide for yourself and your family, and what would you want to happen with your business and to your employees?”

DI Forum: A Panel Of DI Experts Looks At The Disability Income Market And What Can Be Done To Increase Consumer Acceptance Of DI Protection Solutions

Question: What is your view of the state of the disability income protection market today?

Cohen: The need for this product is tremendous. There are so many people who are not protecting their income. It would certainly be advantageous if we had more companies manufacturing this important product-that is where there is a shortage. The market is wide open and our job is to get more financial advisors to offer this product.

 I went to a wedding recently and was talking to another guest. He asked me what I did for a living. I told him I was in the insurance business and my main job is working with financial advisors getting them to offer disability income protection to their clients.

 He proceeded to tell me his story. He said, “Your product is extremely important. When I was 26, I began my dental practice. At 31, I asked a friend if he knew anybody who could offer me disability income protection as no one had ever called me about this product. At 32, I sought out and bought my first policy for $5000/month with benefits to age 65. At 51 I sought out an agent and bought additional income protection for another  $5000/month. At 53, I was driving home and noticed that the vision in my left eye was impaired. I found out I had Central Retinal Vein Occlusion in my left eye. My vision became so badly impaired that I was forced out of my dental practice. I began a new career teaching. While I was getting a teaching salary, my disability income protection policies were paying me $10,000/month because I was insured in my occupation of dentistry.”

When we talk about the state of the industry I find it amazing that this dentist  had to seek out an agent in order to buy disability income protection. He should have been approached by his life agent or casualty  agent.

When it comes to your most important asset—your ability to earn an income—and your ability to protect that asset, there is a drastic shortage of individuals who are educating consumers about this product.

On DI Day in May 2016, we had over 95 financial advisors attending our event. We also had a speaker—an individual who did not check the box for disability income protection. He proceeded to tell us his story about the most tragic mistake he made, and how his mission is to keep others from making the same one he did.

 Periodically, I go to the website (lifehappens.org) to read the Real Life Stories about the individuals that disability income protection has helped. I encourage everyone to go read these stories and to see just how important and crucial this product really is.

I believe the industry is making great strides. I foresee more manufacturers getting into the market for disability income protection.

Bloch: The state of the industry is fine.  The remaining carriers writing disability income protection have been adjusting rates, products, underwriting techniques, and systems to enhance results.  The carriers are working hard to increase market share and making it easier for the targeted consumer to purchase this important coverage.  I am surprised, however, that additional carriers have not entered the market with new exciting products.  The industry needs a new bold approach with basic benefits at affordable rates with a streamlined underwriting process to attract new policyholders who cannot appreciate or afford today’s high quality products.  

Chittenden: It remains an under-penetrated market, yet remains as vital to the financial well-being of every working person as it always has been.  Those of us in this market have been screaming, promoting, teaching, pleading and explaining this fact for years.  Resistance from many financial advisors, as well as traditional insurance agents, to embrace the income protection products, however, seems to remain fairly strong.  This is a double-edged sword.  Because of this lack of penetration, consumers are hurt.  They are not made aware of the need or the solution to protect their income.  On the other side of that sword, those brokers that do promote income protection products have a fairly untapped market.  The problem is not availability of product.  Even with the recent exit of a leading major carrier from the individual market, there is still a plethora of very good products available from excellent carriers to meet both the individual and business income protection needs.  The under-penetration comes from the lack of client education and promotion on the part of the advisor community.   

Phillips: I’m confused and concerned by this market but also very optimistic.  

With the recent departure from IDI by a major carrier in the white collar space, there are  a very limited number of carriers who distribute their product through independent brokerage agencies. And, like IDI’s sister product long term care insurance, there just don’t seem to be many carriers clamoring to get into this space.   This confuses me, as the little information I get on returns on investment for IDI seem to be solid for insurance companies.   Maybe my perception is wrong on that.   

We are in an environment where it is costly for carriers to put business on the books, and carriers must maintain their inforce blocks that were priced and underwritten in a totally different market environment.  I think we underestimate the herculean effort it must take these carriers to juggle this dynamic.  

So we have very few outlets for white collar business, we’ve got a tenuous market environment, and yet there is still excitement in the DI business.  Product enhancements, technological advancements and marketing programs still abound.  Almost daily I’m presented with an exciting case or opportunity.   It’s like some sort of paradox.  

Also, it seems that more producers and planners are looking to expand efforts into the IDI market.    I suppose that’s a function of the likely regulatory changes in the  investment and annuity markets,  as well as the changes that have occurred in the health insurance business.     While it’s a little disappointing that it has taken upheaval for this product that is so fundamentally important to a client’s financial well-being to be brought up as part of the conversation, it’s apparent that it is being brought up more and more.  That has to be a good thing for the market over the long run.  

Petersen: The market for disability insurance is the most robust we have seen in well over a decade. Yes, MetLife stepped out of the individual disability markets, but that should have little impact on the market as a whole. The key players are still in there. There has become more awareness of GSI plans which are being used as primary as well as secondary and excess disability coverages.

Bottom line is there are more opportunities in the Disability market than ever.

Schnittker: The marketplace is better than it has ever been with so many income protection solutions—key man, business loan completion, retirement completion, one person buy-out, and student loan, in addition to the traditional personal disability, business overhead expense and buy/sell.  Great time to be in this marketplace.

Mohr: We are very pleased with our disability insurance sales production this year. Disability sales continue to be a big part of our overall sales and revenue. Retirement planning products are certainly increasing in popularity due to the baby boomers, but there will always be a huge population of working professionals and business owners that need income protection. Most insurance agents just still do not realize the importance of selling disability insurance and the impact on their income both first year and renewals. Disability insurance is not just critical for their client’s financial security, but for the agent as well. What financial planner can say he did a financial plan for a client if he did not guarantee his client an income whether they can work or not?  

Some consumers think that they are covered at work. We train our producers to advise these prospects properly by telling them that most employer plans only provide about 50 percent of what you are eligible for, so you have half a plan through work. That is great, because now you just need to buy the other half! 

The market has never been better for disability insurance sales. There are plenty of great products and underwriting programs. Whether selling to individuals or executive groups, pricing, discounts and underwriting are all aggressive. 

Schmitz: There are fewer advisors being trained by carriers, so financial education is not happening like it used to. High schools should be requiring at least a rudimentary level of financial education and include the concept of insurance in the curriculum.

The market needs more carriers, and Met Life leaving was a big blow, but not a nail. There is a huge number of self-employed people and small businesses that have not pursued protection for their largest asset. The number of employers hiring employees at 30 hours per week so that they are not required to offer benefits continues to increase. Getting the word out that disability insurance exists is our challenge. 

 

Carriers offer more flexibility in underwriting, including guarantee issue individual policies for small groups. Home offices are genuinely proactive in seeking information from the field to take back and develop new products and processes.

Question: What advice do you have for brokers who don’t spend much time pursuing DI sales to their clients? 

Cohen: Roger Sweeney spoke at my agency’s DI day in May, 2016. He said the biggest mistake of his life was not checking the box for DI protection when the corporation he worked for offered it to him.  He is a young man and is  disabled due to  a series of severe health issues .  He stated, “I was the All-American guy.  Perfect job, beautiful family, great income and then it was all gone.”

My advice is for every broker to know Roger Sweeney’s story and to take the time to read Real Life Stories at www.lifehappens.org. 

Once a broker understands how DI protection can save a person’s financial life, that broker should never feel that he does not have the time to pursue a DI sale.

My advice to financial advisors, agents and brokers: You have the responsibility of being entrusted with your clients well being.  You must explain the need for disability income protection. As you read Real Life Stories, you will become aware of the thorough and responsible job brokers did for their clients.  

Bloch: My advice to producers who are reluctant to discuss income protection with their clients is to pursue a partnership or other relationship with another producer who specializes in income protection insurance.  We have a number of producers who realize the importance of this coverage and split cases with income protection experts.  Their clients truly appreciate their professionalism.  On larger or more complicated situations, our agency is asked to develop strategies and implement them. 

Chittenden: Make sure they have a strong E&O policy.  It has always amazed me that brokers will spend all the time and effort to build an amazing financial plan to meet the hearts and dreams of their clients.  They will make sure retirement is funded.  College education for the kids is funded.  Maybe the dream vacation home or the travel dreamed about is funded.  For sure they address the catastrophe an early and unexpected death might cause.  But, they refuse to address the risk their client faces if their ability to fund the entire plan is interrupted by an illness or injury that prevents them from continuing to work and earn a paycheck.  Some brokers have a million excuses.  They don’t want to be a “policy peddler”, or there is only “so much” premium to go around.  They are worried a “complicated” IDI sale will ruin all their other sales, etc. All are simply invalid excuses.  To not evaluate the risk management part of the financial plan fully, meaning to protect the funds (income) that makes the complete plan work, is simply bordering on negligence.  My advice to all of our brokers not promoting income protection is to make sure their E&O plan is in place and strong, and that they very clearly inform their clients what services they do provide and which ones they do not provide.  If there are parts of the total financial plan they are not going to address then they should be identified, and an alternate avenue should be presented to get those aspects addressed.  Not many people can be proficient in all aspects of financial security but everybody can be part of a team that covers all the bases.

Phillips: My first piece of advice would be to make sure they understand their own situation and exposure for disability, and, if they don’t already own coverage or if it hasn’t been updated in years, to get an appropriate IDI policy for themselves.   Work with an agency that specializes in DI to really understand the differences in definitions and the many types of DI products that are available (ID, BOE, Loan DI, Retirement DI, etc.) as a consumer first, then take that knowledge to their own clients.    

I’d also simply announce to inforce clients that DI is now a product that they will be pursuing, and then “just do it”.   Ask inforce clients if they have DI coverage (they probably don’t).  If they have coverage , ask if they understand it (they probably won’t).  If they have had it for awhile ask if it’s been updated with their increased income (it probably hasn’t).  I’ve always been a proponent of learning by doing.   Do it by picking up the phone or meeting with a client and simply asking about their situation.

Petersen: There are several things:

To life and medical sales professionals who do not also promote disability insurance I have one thing to say—shame on you!

People are relying on us as professionals in the insurance industry to advise. If we spend our time saying things like “protect your assets”, “estate planning in case you die”, “business protection”, we better be including not just if you die—but if you live! Protecting your assets begins with income planning. You cannot have income planning without a program to protect the income. This is just as true if you live as if you die.

If we spend our time saying things like, “cover large bills from doctors and hospitals” we better be including some mechanism to cover all the bills, not just the hospital. People worry about medical insurance because they fear large bills from the hospital and doctors. Think about this: In most people’s lives, the largest purchase they ever make is their home. Do they have $500,000, $1 million or more to buy a house outright? Not usually. However, thanks to a mortgage, they can make payments. The caveat in all of this is that they have some sort of cash flow that allows them the ability to pay these big bills and big debts. If a person did not have medical insurance and the bill was $1 million, they could still pay it provided there was some source of cash flow.

Professional insurance producers who neglect disability sales when they actively sell life and/or medical insurance are not helping their client 100 percent. Could this be considered malpractice?

From a personal perspective, these producers are leaving thousands of dollars of commissions on the table.

Lastly, they are setting themselves up for another producer to take over the case and do a better “full service” approach.

Schnittker: You owe it to your client to at least ask them what would happen to them if they became sick or hurt and could not work.  There are numerous income protection specialists that a broker can affiliate with to provide the best solutions for their client’s needs/wants.

Mohr: Pretty simple—you are missing the boat or should I say yacht!

Schmitz: Be careful. Fiduciary liability/responsibility is a hot topic. You must address the issue of income protection within the financial plan or risk management plan. If you are not comfortable addressing the income or asset protection need, find someone to work with who can help you without disrupting the relationship you have developed with the client. Several MGAs now offer “in house” experts who are able to work directly with your client and pay you a referral fee.

Question: How have hybrid/combo products affected the income protection market? 

Cohen: From my observation hybrid/combo products have not affected the disability market.  An individual policy is more comprehensive and will do a better job protecting one’s income.

Bloch: Over the past five or so years, our agency has developed a number of income protection specialty products to solve unique situations for producers who work with our agency.  A couple have had mixed results and others have generated incredible enthusiasm and sales.  I do feel that the the income protection industry will be changed as we target unique specialty solutions, consumers, and other industry professionals. 

Chittenden: I do not see much impact within our market, unlike the LTCI market where the Life/LTC or even the annuity/LTC products have made a big impact.  For the most part, the advancement in the products in the income protection marketplace have focused on improvements for meeting evolving societal needs—such as older issue ages and riders for student loans—or product design to allow maximum flexibility. 

Phillips: In my experience, I have not seen much impact of hybrid products on the income protection market.  But we’re just at the start of this evolutionary use of death benefits helping address living needs.    At one time, acceleration of death benefit was limited to a terminal illness situation.  Recently carriers have expanded into access being granted for chronic illness/long term care situations.    More recently there has been liberalization to allow access for critical illness situations.   It certainly seems that the natural progression might lead to accessibility due to a disability (that might not be because of a chronic or critical illness).   

I’m not sure how the market would accept such a structure.   It seems to me that the acceptance of the ubiquitous chronic illness/LTC design is as much a result of the tumult in the long term care insurance markets as anything else.   

And while critical illness sales are on the upswing, it is not a mature market—there haven’t been generations of planners dedicated to the sale of CI.   There aren’t as many firms with roots as deep in the critical illness market as in the DI market, so it seems that acceptance of CI as a linked benefit opportunity might have less of a barrier than a DI design might.  

Call me old fashioned,  I can rationalize the linked benefit design as a strategy in some long term care planning situations or as a way to get something for critical illness exposure.   But the risk of death, the risk of long term care need and the risk of disability are three entirely different exposures.    In a perfect world, insurance to address these with individual products specific to those risks would be  most efficient.   Especially, it seems to me, the risk of losing one’s ability to earn a paycheck.

Petersen: We haven’t noticed any significant changes. Ultimately combos, like GSI, may just help the sales and underwriting process.

Schnittker: We have not seen much affect.  There are products like critical illness which are excellent supplements to income protection that can be really beneficial for the client, and can make your broker’s recommendation to his client more meaningful. 

Mohr: Most hybrid products have to do with Life and LTC combination coverages. I do not see where these impact disability insurance sales at all.

Schmitz: I would like to see a hybrid/combo product that includes DI. I would like to see a simplified issue hybrid CI/Accident-Only DI with cash value to market to millennials.

Question: What can agents, BGAs and/or carriers do to increase consumers’ acceptance of disability income protection solutions?
 
Cohen: Being a BGA, my job is to make every day disability income protection awareness day.  
 
We make our  brokers comfortable with the uncomfortable and we teach our brokers the questions to ask their clients to uncover the need for this important product; selling disability income protection is accomplished by asking questions.
 
I believe that the way to increase more consumer acceptance of disability income protection is for BGAs to educate the agents on the importance of this product.  The more agents that are educated, the more consumers will be educated.
 
The carriers who are manufacturing the products have developed good sales material which, if used, will result in more consumer awareness.  It is out there for the taking.  Every BGA and agent should familiarize themselves with the wealth of material that is available from the carriers.
 
Bloch: Over the years, the carriers and producers have jointly developed incredible income protection policies  geared mostly to the professional as they have been the preferred target market.  They demand Incredibly high quality definitions and protection guarantees.  Business owners and executive types may have different needs including disability business solutions.  I recently visited a physician’s practice and noticed their parking lot looked like a Mercedes dealership.  The patient’s parking lot, however, was filled with less expensive, practical transportation.  Our challenge is to educate the consumer and producer that an affordable solution is a better choice than one they cannot afford.

Chittenden: The biggest thing is for brokers to talk to their clients and educate them about the need.  Start a conversation with them.  Talk about it as income protection, not disability.  Ask some very simple questions to introduce the subject of protecting their income.  There are many easy transitions and opportunities to raise the subject.  For example, when delivering a life policy after placement, congratulate the client on their selfless action to protect the family he loves, but ask what happens if they don’t die but instead get sick or injured.  What would their plan be if they were simply too ill or hurt to continue to work and earn a paycheck?  The life insurance is of limited help to the family at this point.  Another example for financial planners was mentioned in an early question.  What happens to the great financial plan if there is no income to fuel it?  There is no reason for the broker to get into policy definitions and technical jargon.  Simply, the issue is educating the client on the risk of not protecting their ability to earn a living and, as with life insurance which protects the family financially from a premature death, income protection policies protect the family financially from the premature loss of work based income.  Both are needed!
 
Phillips: I was taught a good lesson years ago by an “old DI warhorse”. He lived in the northern tier of Pennsylvania and had a team of producers spread across the mountains and woodlands that sold only DI—primarily to blue collar clients.  
 
I was bemoaning the fact that our business overhead expense sales were lacking.   He listened as I griped about how I couldn’t get any broker to even quote—let alone sell—BOE. 
 
He looked at me and slowly spoke, “Well, Ray…it’s been my experience that if you don’t talk about something nothing will happen with it…have you been talking to brokers about BOE?”   
 
“Uh…come to think of it, Jim,” I said, “I guess I haven’t.” I went back to my office, started talking up BOE to anyone who’d listen, and guess what happened?  We made some sales. What a concept! Talk about it!  
 
I think simply a BGA needs to talk it up.  Discuss IDI more and more. Consumers suffer from less than stellar financial literacy on the whole.   Within that context, understanding of the exposures to disability, understanding the design of DI plans, understanding of the claims process and what triggers a claim is woefully lacking.   
 
BGAs must educate the broker populace that this should not be viewed as a niche opportunity.  It should be a foundation product.  It should be understood for what it is—the basis of every good insurance and financial plan.  It funds every other part of an efficient plan, allowing for continued timely payment of all other insurances in force from life insurance to homeowners insurance.   
 
BGAs must educate planners to not settle for their clients providing them with the old, “Oh, I have that at work” response.   Group LTD plans must be vetted.   Shortcomings of the group plan definitions must be discovered and pointed out.   For high-income earners the potential shortfall of the group plan’s maximums must be realized.   Is the group plan enough on its own or should it be supplemented by IDI to cover the income gap?  
 
DI is sold.  This is not a commoditized process. It takes thoughtful discussion, planning and education to help a client navigate the decision to purchase (or not to purchase) a DI policy.   An informed, educated and conscientious broker is needed for a client to decide the proper fit of an income protection product.   

Petersen: BGAs and carriers primarily interact with the retail producer and not the consumers. Thus the message and education needs to transmit to the insurance producer and motivate the producer to take action with the consumer.
 
Constant and consistent messaging is important. Many marketing pieces designed by carriers are “sales” focused. Today’s consumers often see this. What helps them most in considering the products is education information.
 
“What would I do without an income for three months?” does not impact me. I can easily rationalize and justify any response and then I am turned off by any further attempt. “Let me tell you about Joe, who is working today and looks pretty good.  But did you know Joe lost his entire business 10 years ago because of being out of work for six months?”  Now you have my attention!
 
The potential to lose some or all is what is at stake—not just “time off work”.
 
Bottom line is this: There is no magic bullet. It’s not quick and at times not easy, but that is how most things start!
 
Schnittker: The broker needs to ask the client what they would like to happen to their income stream, or their business, if they were sick or hurt and could not work.  Consumers don’t want to be sold.  They want to understand the need, find the best solution and be able to sleep at night. 
 
Mohr: Keep talking about the importance of income protection. I think that the carriers could do a much better job of communicating to the field and the public about the disability claims that they are paying. We have very little information on our claimants. From time to time I will hear from an agent about a claim that we paid or are paying. On one hand it is good, because I am not hearing about problems with claims. They seem to be handled and go smoothly. It would be nice to have more real life stories to help motivate people to own and producers to sell more disability insurance. 
 
Schmitz: Disability awareness. More claims stories. Salespeople need stories to make it real and to keep the prospect’s attention. Believe it or not, DI is not an exciting subject to most people. They really do not want to talk about it, and they are in denial about the probability of incurring a long term disability and the inability to access social/community benefits. Sales increase when consumers have real stories about nice people, who are grateful, and who have been paid large sums by friendly insurance companies. 

DI Forum: Key Attributes, Motivators, Industry Organizations And the Product Landscape

M. Susan Ondack, LUTCF
Disability Income Regional Vice-President, Principal Financial Group

Eugene Cohen
Eugene Cohen Insurance Agency, Inc.

Dale Chittenden
The Plus Group Arizona, The Chittenden Group

Thomas R. Petersen
Petersen International Underwriters

Raymond J. Phillips, Jr.
The Brokers Source, Ltd.

Patrick T. Jackson
The Plus Group, Income Replacement Agency

 

Q: What are some key attributes that you see in successful DI producers?

M. Susan Ondack: The biggest obstacle for agents selling DI is that they do not feel comfortable explaining the cost and benefits.  The agents successful in selling DI are those who put their client’s welfare in front of their own comfort.  They are producers who want to learn and be the best financial advisors they can be.  I find full financial planners and producers brought up in the career distribution system to be the most successful producers. 

Eugene Cohen: I have worked with hundreds of disability income producers during my fifty years plus in the insurance industry. I have found that the key attributes that the successful producers have are:  focus; concern for their clients; enthusiasm; quest for ongoing product knowledge; and resiliency. 

The successful disability producer is so focused that nothing can take him off track.  There is an internal mechanism that allows him to disregard distractions. The successful disability producer is always concerned about the needs of his client.  He is concerned that the clients have disability policies that fit their current needs.  With good record keeping the producers keep in touch with their clients and review coverage on an ongoing basis.  I see so much enthusiasm in successful disability producers. They get excited about their products because they have seen how the coverage has protected some of their clients when income protection was needed. Their coverage has helped families survive after a sickness or accident has removed the family’s paycheck.  The need generates enthusiasm. In any business you are in, Knowledge is Power.  Successful disability producers know this; they are always studying their products.

It is very important to our agency to facilitate the quest for knowledge.  We work with disability producers one on one and we hold workshops.  If a producer cannot come in, we will arrange a phone conference.  Our goal is to provide product knowledge as this is a key to being a successful disability producer.

It is a known fact that all successful disability producers will have rejections. Not every sales call will result in a sale.  Successful disability producers know this and when they are pushed back, they rebound forward.  They are resilient!

Dale Chittenden: Compassion, patience and the ability to see the big picture, along with a personal story to tell, are some of the key attributes.  It seems at times our lives are moving at lighting speed and we all want the immediate solution—instant gratification if you will.  Income protection, as vital to our financial health as it is, is anything but that.  Successful DI producers see that, understand that, and have spent the time to a) communicate this need to the client in multiple ways and then b) simplify and individualize the process.  They are willing to do their work upfront by doing the simple fact finding needed (income, health, job duties), setting realistic expectations for the client concerning the most likely outcome and then creating coverage that is tailored to and works for the client’s individual need and budget.  All too often I get requests to quote the max, adding every possible rider and benefit available.  Not everyone needs that or can afford that.  I spend a good amount of my time “downsizing” quotes and teaching producers that it is better for their client to have something than it is to scare the client away and they buy nothing. 

Thomas R. Petersen: Unafraid! I don’t mean that other producers are afraid, but many producers fear losing a life sale or a group sale if they discuss disability insurance. They think that the prospect will have overload on all the products, or, at the least, start mentally budgeting money away from the larger commissioned product.

The reality is that those who approach selling disability insurance by including it in their early discussions with prospects are often rewarded more by more sales as the prospect listens and understands that a loss of income can occur other than from death!

Raymond J. Phillips, Jr: One of the key factors I see in successful DI producers is they are organized and methodical in their approach to their clients and prospects.   Their approach to marketing to prospects is done in a strategic, consistent manner.  Indeed, often just getting a prospect to commit to sitting down to discuss DI planning is a great task in itself.  It requires consistent and timely follow up in order to get an appointment to make the client aware of the whole disability income insurance abstract. 

Successful DI producers are very knowledgeable and objective when comparing and presenting coverages.   For a proposed insured the jargon can get very confusing.  Within their skill set, successful DI producers have an ability to communicate often complex, confusing coverage descriptions into concise, understandable descriptions.

Their organization skills continue well beyond the sale. The successful producers I’ve run into understand that it is important to have consistent, timely communication with the client over the years.  As the policy remains in force an agent should help a client navigate future purchase options or adjust coverages as occupations and incomes change.  Very often this engagement leads to new sales with their existing clients and/or referrals to new DI purchasers.  

Patrick T. Jackson: Successful DI producers should possess several important characteristics.  To me, the beginning point is that producers need to have both integrity and honesty coupled with a deep personal belief about the daunting financial risks that each of their clients face.  A caring and compassionate producer should endeavor to insure that all of his clients cover the risk of a disabling event and they should ideally own their own income protection plan. A producer should consider the complete financial picture of each of their clients’ needs to be able to articulate the potential risk as well as the pennies on the dollar solution to that risk.

 

Q: What role do you think industry organizations should play in motivating brokers to strive to provide DI to the majority of their clients and what can be done to get industry organizations more involved?

M. Susan Ondack:  It is my belief that NAIFA and NAHU need to promote disability insurance to their members.  Not only is it a benefit to their members, it is also a responsibility for all financial advisors to be aware of all the risk protection products available in today’s marketplace.  NAIFA boasts that their members earn much more than non-member producers.  They could impart the knowledge of how DI still has the best recurrent income stream for producers in the industry.  I was always annoyed when I went to the NAIFA convention and there were no DI programs to be heard.  NAHU members are striving for alternatives to surviving in this industry without health insurance being their bread and butter.  Well, DI is right here, a health insurance product, and a great source of income for its members.  
 
Eugene Cohen:  I think that it is the responsibility of the companies that offer disability income protection as well as the responsibility of the brokerage general agencies to promote disability awareness.  It would not hurt if industry organizations got involved also, however, in my organization we are always promoting disability protection.  We feel it is our responsibility to make all of our brokers aware of all of the disability products that are being offered.  We do this by advertising, sending emails to producers, sending out newsletters, providing training sessions and making one on one phone calls to our producers.  We do this on a daily basis.
 
Dale Chittenden: More attention to income protection products needs to be given by all of the industry organizations. With many of the industry organizations right now it is pretty much an afterthought, if given any credence at all.  Many organizations continue to focus their programs, training and attention on life insurance, the markets, and other investment and income producing products without any focus on the one asset that makes all those products sellable!  There is a great need for education and training on income protection risk management products for both the individual and the business markets. This need embodies what is right for the client by helping him keep all other planning in place should their income be lost due to accident or sickness. Yet few organizations give it the time of day.  The International DI Society (IDIS) was formed specifically to promote the disability insurance industry because there was very little income protection advocacy in the other industry organizations.   We need our NAIFA, AHIP, FSP, CFP, and NAHU local chapters to realize the importance of income protection and risk management, without which the financial plan goes to ruin.  These organizations and others like them need to promote this training and education to all of their members. 
 
Thomas R. Petersen: Industry organizations, like producers, need to include the need for disability insurance with the same enthusiasm as they do their core products. If they can demonstrate that selling disability insurance alongside life and medical sales builds a producer’s income and creates stability by having the client even more vested to the producer, the producer will create an empire not just a sale.
 
Raymond J. Phillips, Jr: I think the key factor industry organizations can provide is the promotion of the appropriateness of the DI purchase in the overall financial plan.   Articles, information, meetings; promoting this as an essential consideration for every financial professional will hopefully lead to more producers and planners being motivated to integrate this into their clients’ overall insurance plans or to seek partnership with someone who will.
 
I wince every time I hear DI described as a “niche” market.  That’s a label we seem to want to condone and promote.  It shouldn’t be a niche.  It should be ubiquitous, universally considered and implemented.   The industry organizations can help change this view of this important coverage.  
 
Patrick T. Jackson: Industry organizations need to continue to train producers on how to bring up the conversation with both clients and prospects. Offering real life stories about people who have lost their income due to a disabling event are very powerful tools we can provide to   producers. Events like Disability Insurance Awareness Month, International DISociety meetings and National DI Day serve to elevate the conversation and hopefully motivate producers to talk to their
clients every month about income protection planning.
 
Q: What are some key motivators to impress upon agents that for the most part avoid DI sales?
 
M. Susan Ondack: The most key motivator for me to impress upon producers is that without income protection, the entire financial program they have designed could be at risk.  I also like to promote DI specialists, who will help a producer educate and protect their clients on a split basis.  After all, how many times have we heard that 100 percent of nothing is still nothing!  Collaboration can work both ways and increase client satisfaction and producer income. I have a financial planner in Denver who went into collaboration with a DI specialist and increased his income in 2014 by $115,000, not to mention the residual income he will have.  This is not brain surgery, it’s common sense!
 
Eugene Cohen: The reasons why many insurance producers avoid disability sales are:
a) They are uncomfortable with the products due to lack of knowledge;
b) They think other products are easier to sell; and
c) They believe that disability underwriting is very different.  
 
How do we overcome these issues? In my agency we teach, so that the producers become comfortable with the uncomfortable. They will not avoid presenting disability products once they have the knowledge. The same principle applies to underwriting disability applications.  Once the producer understands the underwriting requirements, the misconception disappears. The reason they think other products are easier to sell is because they have been trained in those products and are comfortable with them.  With an open mind and a quest for knowledge, disability income will become an important part of an insurance producer’s portfolio.
 
Dale Chittenden: Income protection is a win-win situation.  It is a win for the producer and it is a win for the consumer. Unfortunately, I don’t think most producers see it that way.  The consumer needs to insure the engine that makes the rest of their financial world run—their income.    Many consumers feel, however, “it” will never happen to them and thus push back on the producer, who then feels it prudent to let the DI sale go to keep from jeopardizing other sales.   But, in doing so, what they are really doing is putting the entire plan in jeopardy.  If anything happens to the client’s income stream, nothing else gets funded.  
The win for the producer is that generally, once a DI policy is on the books, it stays there and requires very little maintenance.  The second win for the producer is that DI policies pay a significant renewal commission, unlike many of the other products that they sell. Thus, with a significant commission and a high persistency rate, the commission renewal stream becomes very healthy.  Between first year and renewal commissions a producer can generate a substantial, long term, steady income stream by simply writing one or two applications per month. 
 
Thomas R. Petersen: 
  1. The market is easier than they think. Mostly because so many avoid talking about disability insurance. 
  2. The market builds and builds over time, it is not a quick sale program.
  3. The commissions, while not as high as life insurance the first year, often far out pay life insurance within 2-5 years and persistency is higher.
  4. Disability insurance sounds depressing, so change the game and call it income protection! 
  5. You are not alone! Members of the International DI Society, fellow producers, the NAIFA Young Advisor Team, and many others are there to help, advise, cajole, and support you.
 
Raymond J. Phillips, Jr: I think the most important one is that it protects the foundation of every insurance and financial plan—the client’s income.   Without a paycheck, all other insurance coverages are impacted; all savings are impacted; and the savings, nest eggs and in force investments could very well be compromised.
 
Patrick T. Jackson: I think we need to reduce the complexity of the need conversations we have with our clients.  Simple direct questions to a prospect can clarify the issue.  How long can you exist without a paycheck before financial problems become acute?  Who will pay your family if you are unable to work and earn income?
Appeal to the producer’s own financial needs by showing them the financial result of writing income protection on 12 clients per year for 10 years.  
 
Lastly, appeal to the producer to do “the right thing.”  Having your clients protected from the risk of a disabling event provides a firm financial platform for them and allows them to utilize more services from you.
 
Q: How has the DI product landscape changed in the past 10 years, and what bright spots exist now and/or may be on the horizon?

 
M. Susan Ondack: In the past 10 years we have seen the DI product landscape change in a most positive way.  There are simplified underwriting programs, guarantee issue and guarantee to issue programs.  Teleapp,
e-application and e-signature capabilities.  The issue and participation limits have increased and medical conditions, such as antidepressant usage, have changed dramatically!  It is a great time to sell DI!
 
Eugene Cohen: The last ten years have been exciting years for disability income insurance.  There are companies that are promoting disability income as well as creating new products.  There is a disability product now for most occupations.  There are simplified underwriting as well as teleapps.    The companies that offer disability are very supportive and enthusiastic—their enthusiasm is contagious!
 
I am excited that we have financial advisors, life agents, health agents and casualty agents that need our help in education on the various disability products that their clients need.  Their clients not only need individual disability products, they need disability buyout insurance, disability key person replacement, disability overhead expense, and disability retirement security. Just look at the opportunity general agents have to build disability sales.  The more we educate, the more we grow! We are in the most exciting time for disability income protection sales.
 
Dale Chittenden: After almost becoming extinct, the income protection market has come back with gusto!  More and more carriers are deciding to come back into the market in one fashion or another.  The few that never left have continued to be innovative with product design, but attempt to stay away from the pitfalls of the mid-90s.  Time will tell if they truly can.  Underwriting has tightened up on one hand, but is keeping up with advances in medical science on the other.  For example, it used to be that someone taking any anti-anxiety drug was not able to get DI coverage—now they can.  Yet at the same time, I still see carriers attempting to stick to sound medical underwriting practices to not “give away the store.”  Product design is also evolving and becoming simplified.  This is a bright spot because the easier it is to explain the coverage, the more it defeats both the producer’s and the consumer’s view that income protection coverage is complicated and designed not to pay.  Probably the biggest hurdle I see, at all levels, is the perception that disability insurance is complicated and hard to understand.  The more we can do to simplify the provisions and give the consumer confidence the plan will pay when they need it, the better the penetration into the market we will have.
 
Thomas R. Petersen: For the most part, products have stayed the same and benefits have not changed dramatically in the past 10 years. There are two things that have changed:
  1. Underwriting has loosened up compared to 10 years ago. This means more sales and more policies to be placed. There are more resources for those with health issues, higher income needs, and occupations that have traditionally been difficult.  Coverage options to meet business needs have also expanded. 
  2. GSI programs have caught on and are one of the leading edge products. This is true in both the regular disability markets as well as excess disability programs. 
 
Raymond J. Phillips, Jr: A major change over the past 10 years has been a liberalization of the contract coverages/definitions and the increasing issue and participation limits.    It wasn’t a great deal beyond 10 years ago that the DI markets were in tumult and much of the language and benefit maximums had become more restrictive. There has been a consistent movement toward taking definitions and I/P limits “back to the future.”   It’s a great time to be a DI consumer!
 
Another segment that has liberalized over the past number of years is the amount of guaranteed standard issue (GSI) offers that can be made.  It’s been my experience that this has allowed individual DI to be made a part of the executive benefit consideration in small and medium sized firms, providing more individuals exposure to coverages for which they may not have previously been aware they could qualify.
 
There has been creation or enhancement of DI coverages available over the past decade.  Key employee DI coverage is now part of the conversation for business planning.  We can now provide protection for a business owner’s loans.  There’s never been a better time for a planner to approach a small business owner in reference to DI protection.  The market has adapted to a point that we can now even provide protection for an individual’s pension contributions.
 
I think (hope?) a bright spot might be a move toward making the application and underwriting process less difficult.  Logically, it seems that the evolution of technology and “Big Data” should spawn such a dynamic.    Many times we’re working with planners who do not do much disability income insurance.  Nothing is more frustrating than to have them scared away from this most important product offering by a cumbersome, clunky experience in underwriting.   Hopefully innovation in processes will alleviate the fear that I think many planners have of getting involved in DI selling.
 
Patrick T. Jackson: Growing concerns for the industry are the baby boomers retiring in large numbers and the dwindling number of qualified producers entering the insurance industry. As a result there are fewer disability experts to market income protection products. 
 
Additionally, during the last 10 years few new carriers have entered the market, however, the few remaining carriers are profitable. 
 
As the millennials begin entering the workforce, the hope is that they will follow in the footsteps of the baby boomers and purchase income protection coverage.  If this happens, a large number of income protection policies will be sold during the next 20 years. We hope for a large number of young producers entering the business and selling coverage to the millennials as happened with the baby boomers in the 1980s.