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Dexter S. Umekubo, CLU, ChFC

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is managing partner of Producer's XL. He began his insurance career with Metropolitan Life in 1978 after graduating with a BA from California State University, Long Beach. He was a successful field agent earning numerous sales awards with Metropolitan Life.In 1984, Umekubo joined a California-based life insurance company and, after a series of promotions and different positions within the marketing department, attained the title of assistant vice president of sales development.In 1988, Umekubo joined John Rupright, founding partner of Producer's XL, as a co-owner and managing partner of a full service insurance brokerage agency located in Salina, KS.Umekubo is a long-time participant and attendee of the Society of Financial Service Professionals (SFSP) Arizona Institute. He is FINRA Securities Series 7, 24, 63 and 65 licensed and serves as an OSJ/branch manager and registered principal for Sagepoint Financial, a wholesaler broker/dealer firm.Umekubo is a two consecutive term past president of the Wichita Chapter of Society of Financial Service Professionals. He is a member of the Association of Advance Life Underwriting (AALU), where he has lobbied on Capitol Hill on behalf of our industry, meeting with several members of Congress. He also serves on AALU's brokerage task force committee. He is a member of the National Association of Insurance and Financial Advisors (NAIFA) and has served on the local board of directors. In 2007 he was appointed to the National Association of Independent Life Brokerage Agencies (NAILBA) national board of directors. In 2008 he was elected to the NAILBA board of directors executive committee, and served as the 2012 chairman.Umekubo is a published author for national trade publications and has spoken at more than 200 broker and industry seminars and conferences across the country.Umekubo can be reached at Producer's XL, 2105 Crawford Place, Salina, KS 67401. Telephone: 800-541-6705. Email: dex@producersxl.com.

Life BGA Panel

What life products are currently seeing the best sales in your agency?  What other lines are significant parts of your business?

Rosen
Obviously, term insurance is always in the mix; guaranteed universal life sales continue but we see lots of growth in the “mortality-type guarantee” products as well.  These tend to offer significant guarantees with projected cash value benefits and a strong projected death benefit.  In addition, variable life, indexed life, and whole life continue to play a role in our firm.  It is very important to note that addressing a long term care need for clients is a major concern and life insurance products with a long term care or chronic illness rider or the various linked products are playing an important part in this discussion and driving significant sales.

Umekubo
We are seeing more and more GUL with riders (chronic illness and long term care) and one with a “longevity / income” rider being more receptive.  Index UL has gained more acceptance with some of our brokers, but we tend to be a more conservative group, so we prefer the IUL with longer or even lifetime no-lapse guarantees.  We will gladly take less “upside” for more guarantees.

No matter what changes the industry brings us, people still have the same three problems: Dying too soon, getting sick along the way, or outliving their retirement nest egg.  Good news is we have the solutions and tools to solve those problems.  All insurance is, at the end of the day, leveraged money bought with pennies on the dollar.

As far as other lines of business, we are a “full-service” BGA and we provide long term care insurance, annuities, disability income, chronic illness and Medicare supplement insurance to our brokers.  All lines are very important to our firm.  We are a rural-based agency and want to be a true “one-stop shop” for our brokers, plus it gives us a broader revenue stream for our agency.

Wall
We aren’t seeing a significant shift in the percentages of term to perm, however, as it relates to those two lines, what we are seeing with those product lines are:

Term. We’ve been telling the story of “product differentiators” for some time. Perhaps as a result, we are seeing, especially with experienced producers or producers who are doing long term planning, a renewed focus on products that offer conversions to the carrier’s entire product line—for the entire convertibility period; those producers will use products with limited conversion opportunities but only as a last resort.  

Permanent. Most of our permanent life insurance cases remain death benefit driven, very few are supplemental income driven; that being said:

  • We’re seeing more current assumption product sales, either general account crediting or indexed crediting, sales using products that offer the ability to guarantee the death benefit for a long period of time and that will then project coverage thereafter. 
  • We are also seeing less interest from producers in products that, while offering guarantees to age 121, have little flexibility. By that I mean products that, should a premium be skipped and never be repaid, will lose less of the guarantees than another product will lose. 
  • When we do work on a case involving cash accumulation, we prefer to use carriers that have a formal program in place that will automatically, whether during the accumulation phase or the distribution phase, do policy performance re-calculations and will make suggestions on how to catch up on the originally projected values.

One line of business that we’re optimistic about, and which is becoming a greater part of our business, involves products designed to pay for “care.” In 2018, as an industry, we are blessed to have so many products at our disposal that can be used to pay for care—we have:

  • Traditional long term care insurance; 
  • Linked benefit products (based either on a life insurance or an annuity chassis); or,
  • Hybrid products (life insurance with long term care or chronic illness riders).  

 

As BGA’s, we need to make these products available to our producers, but, more important, to educate them as to where each product works the best. 

Impaired risk business is widely considered responsible for the growth of the brokerage industry. Where do you see underwriting headed in the future and how do you see BGAs providing significant value to producers going forward?
 
Rosen
As access to underwriting data becomes better and faster, and with accelerated underwriting programs expanding, I don’t see impaired risk playing the same role in the more routine BGA business as it has in the past.  However, for larger and more complicated cases, having available expertise for both medical and financial underwriting issues will become more and more important and will remain a key differentiator for firms.
 
Umekubo
We always try to get a “second opinion” on cases that are issued other than applied for.  We also have on retainer an independent contract underwriter with many years of high-level, carrier executive level experience for us to try to do the very best job for our brokers.
 
Underwriting is still of great value to our brokers and we try to know where each of our carriers “play best” when it comes to impaired risks or financial / business underwriting.  One of our cases had to do with financial underwriting for a company ESOP buy-sell and most of our companies really didn’t “understand” the nature of the risk, but with my involvement with a senior underwriter at one of our “partner” companies, we were able to get the full amount of coverage for the applicant.
 
Wall
Especially as it relates to transactional term insurance sales, we stress efficiency and profitability. 
 
As to our carrier friends, I think that’s what they are attempting to do with their simplified underwriting programs. I believe that we’ll see more carriers entering that arena and as they go forward, we’ll see higher death benefit amounts offered through those programs. Hopefully, as they gain more confidence in the results they are getting from these programs, we’ll see more carriers offering underwriting without the need for fluids.
 
As an agency, we are using the ApplicInt “drop ticket” platform to help us to increase efficiency and profitability for both our agency and our producers—and at present we have eight carriers on that platform. We would like more of our lower premium term business submitted thru that platform—which in turn will free us up to devote more time to larger, complicated or impaired risk cases for our producers.
 
On a side note—while we expected the drop ticket platform to be used only for lower premium cases, we’ve found that once a producer is comfortable with the platform they are also submitting larger premium and face amount cases (so much for what I think).
 
Do you see producer comp on life products changing, and if so, in what way(s)?
 
Rosen
We don’t see anyone clamoring for “levelized commissions” at the moment, so for most of our agents I would expect the industry maintains the status quo.  However, more and more of our business is coming via fee-based and fee-only advisors and I expect that fee-based insurance product opportunities will pick up steam.  Effective distribution of these products will, however, continue to depend on availability of a life insurance specialist, and it will be imperative for carriers to build a comp model to address this reality.
 
Umekubo
Well, I don’t remember in the last 30 years of being a partner at Producers XL having our compensation increased, both first year and renewals (which are nearly non-existent).  I’ve heard about levelized commission over the last 40 years (forever).  While levelized or semi-levelized commissions make sense in many ways, a new broker to our industry would have a tough time on levelized commissions.  Perhaps that will change, I really don’t know.  What we’ve done is increased our agency’s revenue sources from strictly heaped or first year life revenue to more “recurring” revenue markets like Med Supp, DI, LTCI and chronic illness insurance to make up for the loss or reduction of life insurance renewals.
 
 
Wall
Total compensation, be it commissionable targets, renewals, bonuses, etc., has been going down ever since I got in the business 
in 1982 and I don’t see that changing now. 
 
Regarding permanent products, I don’t think that going to levelized commissions on death benefit driven products would work. I wouldn’t be surprised to see our carriers go to levelized commissions on cash accumulation focused permanent products—and that might not be a bad idea if trails, assuming they’re vested, are included in the compensation structure.
As to term, I don’t want to put any ideas in our carrier’s heads about that so I’ll keep my mouth shut on that one.
 
What do you see as the role of the BGA in attracting new talent to the insurance industry?  What do you do to help new agents become successful?
 
Rosen
It will continue to be hard for BGA’s to solve the “lack of agents” dilemma. However, we can build distribution in a variety of ways.  First, there will be those that get involved in point of sale support and have the insurance sales/agent expertise on staff to assist other advisors that are not life insurance savvy.  This could be by working with financial advisors in the wire-house world or with property-casualty firms or benefit firms.  I believe this will separate into two distinct approaches: One where we take on our traditional brokerage agency role, and another where we actually market ourselves in a way that allows us to act as “agent” on the application.  We can split agent-level comp with advisors or property-casualty firms and increase our margins, but we will need to have the “agents” on staff to get it done.  In addition, some BGAs have gone down the direct to consumer marketing road and I believe this trend will continue as well.   Bottom line, lots of opportunity—but as always, we must be open to change.
 
 
Umekubo
Recruiting new and younger talent to our industry is a very tough proposition it seems.  More and more of our newer brokers are the sons and daughters of our existing agents.  The career companies are still bringing in new talent to our industry, but as a BGA it is very hard to recruit and train “green peas” based on our compensation model.
 
What we do to make brokers more successful is to focus on prospecting, problem solving and presentation skills.  Frankly, product training is last on the list.  If you can’t do the first three well you are not going to be very successful in our business, and all the product knowledge in the world won’t equate to lots of sales.  It really is that simple.  We are blessed that the principals of our firm have all been in personal production.  We know what it takes to prospect, problem solve and present a solution.  People don’t buy “insurance,” they buy answers to their questions and solutions to their problems. That is the “secret sauce” for our agency.
 
 
Wall
I think that we need to be stressing succession planning to our older producers for their business and help them to identify young producers who might be good candidates for their agency.
 
Many colleges and universities have classes, and even majors, in “Insurance and Risk Management.” If you have one in your area, get to know the staff. If they have Career Fairs for their students, such as we have at one of the universities in our state, attend those and let students know what we do. So many of the Insurance and Risk Management programs are more focused on property/casualty classes than life and health, simply because it’s the P&C carriers and agencies who are supporting their programs and attending the Career Fairs. Thus, that’s all that the students see. As a side note to that, consider hiring interns from those programs to work in your agency during the summer—that will provide you with a wonderful opportunity to identify talent and introduce them to our industry.  
 
For new producers, we attempt to spend time with them on the telephone or in person to simply teach them the basics of products, underwriting, etc.
 
To help them increase their sales skills, we encourage them to join and attend, based on their business focus, industry associations such as the National Association of Insurance and Financial Advisors (NAIFA) or the National Association of Health Underwriters (NAHU). 
 
Both of those associations have educational courses for the producer.  As an example, NAIFA still offers the LUTCF designation. LUTCF is designed to teach fundamental prospecting, selling and practice management skills—which are the basis for the advisor succeeding. 

Optimism And Concerns About Product, Legislation And Building An Insurance Business

Thomas Archer, Elite Marketing Group

Peter Caneer, Carroll & Associates, Inc.

Dex Umekubo, Producer’s XL

Q: What do you find most exciting about the life insurance business?

Thomas Archer: The industry is always changing and evolving. While it can be frustrating from time to time, this also keeps our business exciting! I’m always amazed that as tax laws change, compliance, reserving and regulations change, the industry and our carriers find ways to respond and adapt. I always tell our employees, “If you don’t like something, don’t be too upset. It will change at some point.”

With 50 percent of middle class Americans without coverage, the opportunity is unlimited!

Peter Caneer: Being excited about our business today doesn’t mean blind optimism. It does mean realizing all the improvements needed—as well as the potential benefit to everyone if we’re successful. My main concern isn’t about the dwindling number of agents and the ages of those remaining (now average age 60) but more about the consumers we could help, and figuring out how to help them. Industry organizations and insurers have done what they felt was best for them for the last 40 years, and what we now have, both in numbers of agents and their competency, is the result.

We (and insurers) will find ways to reach consumers regardless. Some of us are working successfully with high-tech websites and online quoting and applications systems that really do work. And while the number of pure life agents is smaller, we can also work very effectively with financial planners and property/casualty agents who can all bring life insurance, LTC insurance and retirement products to their clients with the right help.

Dex Umekubo: What I find exciting  about the life insurance business is the opportunity for financial security our industry provides to so many Americans. Most people, even some in our business, don’t realize the value our industry brings to our economy and to the public. Our products provide more than $1.5 billion a day in benefits versus the $1.9 billion that the government provides. We provide 20 percent of all the long term savings in our country. We provide 75 million American families with protection and peace of mind. That said, there is still a huge marketplace for people who want our products, so I think it is just a matter of getting out there, seeing people, telling our stories and helping people find financial security with the products we have to offer.

I also encourage all readers to become active in AALU, NAIFA and other industry associations, and get involved in the legislative side of our business.

Q: What about the life insurance business most concerns you?

Caneer: I’m more concerned about financial illiteracy (and not understanding what risk is all about) on the part of the public more than the aging and small agent force. As one our better general agents in Miami says, “I can’t do anything about that.” Agent concentration on cheap product rather than client solutions is also a concern. This preoccupation with only low-cost product is predominant—with some radio personalities, who only advise buying term insurance from endorsed providers, yet have website information about life insurance that is three years out of date.

Many risk problems for middle class Americans can be fixed with simple solutions like hybrid life with both critical and chronic illness benefits (particularly critical). Annuities with LTC riders are also terrific tools. But definitions for claims triggers are important, since a chronic illness accelerated benefit might be dependent on the condition being “permanent,” or could require the client to be in a facility. This is where a good BGA can help, doing the research to make sure product performance and expectations are clear. Some of the better hybrid products should also be provided as employee benefits—a new area to explore.

We have an agent force that needs more medical and financial underwriting training, plus a lot more tax knowledge. Great companies in the past did this training, but now it’s only available from a few BGAs who have the ability and inclination to spend their time with new agents or with P&C agents and financial planners who are curious and can learn at least the basics.

Umekubo: One of my biggest concerns about our business is the feeling that we have spent far too much time telling people (and brokers) what life insurance is and not what life insurance does. I am really concerned about this trend within our business. Many agents have never delivered a death claim. They have been taught all about why their products are better than the next guy’s. They focus their pitch on the illustration they’re showing, mesmerizing the prospect with projections that are sometimes “too good to be true” and never really focusing on the need for the insurance.

As a natural adjunct, I am concerned for those agents who have made a decent living churning blocks of business. Replacement activity will eventually dry up—a person’s life insurance can only be replaced so many times. Agents need to get back to basics and sell solutions to problems rather than the next best illustration, and we need more carriers and BGAs committed to that process.

Archer: What about the life insurance business most concerns me? Probably the same thing that concerns most BGAs out there: Where are new agents going to come from? With only a handful of career companies turning out licensed insurance professionals, who will be our future producers? Of course we, like everyone else, are looking to alternative distribution sources such as banks, wire houses and P&C agencies. With shrinking margins, those channels present their own challenges. The bigger problem, in my opinion, is that this is creating a severely underinsured American public. As the number of life insurance agents has decreased over the last two decades, you can see that there is a direct correlation to the decrease in the amount of life insurance owned by American families.

Currently more than 30 percent of American households have no life insurance at all, let alone enough life insurance.

Q: What new product twists or legislation do you believe producers should be aware of?

Umekubo: I think the expansion of interesting riders and linked benefits for life products is truly a game changer. I think some of the riders (such as income riders, periodic payment of death benefit proceeds) and the linked benefit riders (long term care and chronic illness) are really ways of “getting off the spreadsheet” and selling value instead of price. I also think that producers are getting smarter and perhaps a bit more cynical about some carriers’ illustrations that project performance that might be a bit beyond the realm of real possibility.

On the regulatory and legislative front, I think we’ll continue to see product re-pricing due to the impact of long term low interest rates on our industry. As a member of AALU and Past Government Affairs Chair for NAILBA, I have spent a lot of time on Capitol Hill “telling our story” so that the benefits we provide American families may not be underestimated, stressing the importance that our products maintain their current tax favored status. As an industry we must continue to explain that the inside build-up of life insurance is wrongly labeled as a “tax expenditure”; that life insurance is purchased with after-tax dollars; and that gain on the inside buildup should not be taxed until constructive receipt of that gain (like any other property) upon surrender of the contract.

Archer: With our aging independent life sales force, life companies are looking for ways to make a death benefit contract more attractive and easier to sell. Several years ago, most life carriers added a terminal illness benefit rider—to advance part of the death benefit during someone’s lifetime. Now many lifetime benefit riders from critical illness to long term care to money-back features give a lot more sizzle to our old, outdated contracts.

On the legislative side of the ledger, life insurance is unique because both state and federal governments allow an insurance contract to have very favorable tax treatment. With the growing deficits of our nation today, all sources of tax revenue and tax breaks are being studied. Tax-deferred buildup of cash value, the ability to create an immediate estate “tax free” for beneficiaries and the favorable untaxed withdrawal features are all under review. What other asset is not subject to creditors or lawsuits? State of Texas (and others) benefit.

Caneer: Hybrid products are, of course, number one—especially when the economics also make them very affordable. Agents who really want to make money and help clients would be very successful if they concentrated on just that one idea, especially with so many term policies initial guaranteed rates coming to an end in the coming years. Review and inclusion of living benefits in products for clients’ early retirement years is critical to protect retirement nest eggs and prevent real estate and investments from having to be sold at the wrong time. Term coverage to ages into the early to middle 70s with living benefits solve a real social and economic need.

In addition, understanding the ugly federal government’s lurking regulations (such as IRC 101(g)(5) and IRC 101(j) that make business insurance taxable) is critical to dealing with business clients. Transfer for value tax traps are always out there, too, and agents working locally can help prevent tax disasters. The alternative to good local advice, of course, is having a home office customer services person actually process a request with tax pitfalls or having a sales jockey in an internet operation 2000 miles away try to help without knowing anything about the tax code. Of course neither companies nor agents can give tax advice, but knowing the basics can help business clients avoid disasters like taxable life proceeds. Single premium par whole life contracts with living benefits for critical and chronic illness with good cash growth and very early liquidity are good products now, as well as hybrid annuity and LTC products. They will probably remain viable for a number of years, since interest rates are expected to remain low.

Q: What advice about building an insurance business do you have for producers?

Archer: Technology today allows consumers to run their own rates and plans and make purchases online. How can the agent survive? People in general do not realize how important a beneficiary designation is. They may not realize how important the convertibility feature is and what contracts are available for conversion. I compare the online life insurance purchase to that of preparing your will online—omission of one small item could change everything. The agent continues to provide vital service in the planning process.

Producers today may consider assisting people with the Affordable Care Act in order to build clientele. This is the first time in history that a person who ignores the purchase of insurance will be forced to pay the IRS a penalty. [TA]

Caneer: My advice to agents who want to help clients and make money is simple: Pick four or five things you really like. Don’t just play on the cheaper rate field. Look at business insurance issues (especially tax related), living benefits, tools such as income payout options instead of lump sums, and medical underwriting for major areas such as diabetes, cancer and coronary artery disease. Learn as much as you can, especially about field underwriting. In the near future underwriting changes might even impact the actuarial assumptions in current products, especially annuities.

Partner with a general agent with dedication to education and service, particularly if backed up with an educational “academy” (our national marketing group has an “academy” devoted to this very thing) that makes learning easy. Agents should realize that many clients are becoming “orphans” every day and no one is reviewing their coverage. This is a great opportunity.

There are millions of potential buyers in their 40s and 50s who’ve bought life insurance at least once before and whose initial term periods will soon come to an end. Who will they call? Will anyone call them? Will their insurer reach out to them? Probably not. We have a system that costs product manufacturers more than the customer’s first year outlay for a product that could be on the books for 20 years…or a lifetime. Is it any wonder why policies aren’t serviced? Many of these policyholders are now uninsurable and conversion is their only option, but who’s helping the orphan clients to make these tough decisions? Perhaps BGAs should go through their files and see which clients appear to be orphans—and just deal with it themselves. I know some are doing this.

On the LTC insurance side, the future trend will be for simpler, plain vanilla products that are affordable. This may open up the markets more. The industry leaders will spend a fortune on branding to coordinate with states for partnership plans.

And, finally, there are millions of baby boomers with kids in their businesses that will need help transitioning. But without planning and insurance, bringing sons and daughters into the business certainly does not ensure their future success, nor that of the business. Business clients, in particular, need advice as they try to transition from one phase of their lives to the next. People giving that advice really need to be experts in business insurance planning. [PC]

Umekubo: My advice about building an insurance business for producers? Find a good mentor. I could not have made it, or been blessed with the good career I’ve had ( hope it is not over yet), without those who have helped me along the way. I have a great business partner (John Rupright) who founded our agency. We’ve been together in business since 1984 and been partners in our agency since 1988. You really need to connect with others who are willing to help you, guide you and to have as a “second opinion” to make it in this business.

I also suggest education (I just returned from my fifteenth SFSP Arizona Institute) to increase your skills and expertise. There is so much to learn about our industry, and I truly believe that the producer with the most knowledge wins. Work on your CLU, ChFC or CFP. Commit to being a professional. It’s worth it!

Lastly, commit to seeing people! You can’t help them if you don’t “see ’em!” Get out of the office. Get out from behind your desk and tell people your story. Mine hasn’t changed in 35-plus years—“I help people with two financial problems: dying too soon and leaving their loved ones financially ruined, or living too long and running out of money.  Can I help you with those two problems?” [DU]