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Jerry C. Thomas represents the third generation at J.L. Thomas & Company, a family-owned insurance brokerage agency. Owned and operated in the heart of Playhouse Square, Cleveland’s Theater District (second largest theater district in the United States), J.L. Thomas & Company was founded in 1971 by Jerry L. Thomas, CLU. Jerry’s experience in the insurance business as both a personal producer and general agent gave him the insight to operate one of the country’s most respected brokerage operations. Jerry’s sons, J. Michael “Mike” Thomas, CLU, David D. Thomas, MSFS, CLU, ChFC, and Craig W. Thomas, have specialized skills that have fostered the company’s growth and success. Currently the company is employing the third generation, Jerry C. Thomas and Kurt M. Thomas, CFP, CLU. Both are active in point of sale and management within the agency. For more information about J.L. Thomas & Company, visit www.jlthomasco.com, or call 216-241-0680. Email: Jerry@jlthomasco.com.

Multi-Generation Agencies… Adapting To Change In Product, Service And Tech

Q. What tips and experience can you share about the process of grooming agency successors into leadership roles?

Felton
As soon as you have determined that the person you are grooming has want and desire to grow your business beyond what you are doing, you should begin to get them more involved in the overall operations. Have them begin to attend industry meetings so that they can learn more about how others run their companies and hopefully generate new ideas that they can bring to your company and implement.

LaMarche
They need to learn from the bottom up and work in every department to get a true sense of the business and how it operates.

Gilbert
My personal opinion is grooming isn’t the hard part, it is finding the right person who, first, wants to dedicate themselves to this noble yet fragile profession and, second, has the temperament to be a leader. Just because someone is a great salesperson doesn’t make them a great manager of others. Just because you have a superstar operations person at your firm doesn’t mean they will connect with the sales staff if you hand over the reigns to them. Find the right person, with the right personality, and you can teach them the business.

Mooers
In my own personal experience, I found it really, really helpful that the name on my driver’s license matched the name on the door of the building. What a happy coincidence, right? Because I think I can tell you that I probably wouldn’t have qualified for a job here otherwise. The biggest lesson I learned was when I stopped trying to be Father2.0-or Uncle2.0-that’s when I had a chance at success. My leadership style is different, and it had to be mine or it wouldn’t work. That’s the message I try to pass on to others in leadership roles. Learn from your leaders, implement what works, but don’t try to be them. Be you.

Gallegos
We are a first-generation agency with a relatively young ownership team. However, we have taken key people in sales and administration and given them leadership roles, and as they have gained experience we have expanded their decision-making opportunities. The idea being that they gain a firm understanding of how we would like the company to run and give them the experience they need to be able to one day run the agency.

Thomas
You have to set expectations, you have to give them responsibility, and you have to mentor them through their decision making.

Q. What steps does your agency take to maintain, respect and accommodate “old school” long-standing producer relationships?

Felton
I think the most important thing is to make the producers know that they are important to your company and to spend a little extra time on their cases and service. The long time relationships need to feel that they are special and that their business matters. If these advisors have a drop in business, you need to make sure that you stay in touch and see if there are ways that you can help them grow their business.

LaMarche
Most of our producers are old school. We try to treat them with a sense of urgency and meaning still to this day as we did from the beginning.

Gilbert
We have tried to adopt the motto that, “We will work with you the way you want to work with us.” If that means the person wants to fax in paper applications then so be it. If we recruit a producer who never wants to hear a human voice and wishes to use technology to submit, manage and issue his business, we can do that too. Learning how your producer is most comfortable doing business is a great first step in a long-term relationship.

Mooers
We try to respond with a “one better” approach when we can. If someone takes action on LinkedIn, we’ll reach out to them with an email. If they email, we’ll call. And if they call, hopefully I can make it out to visit them and shake their hand. We haven’t been very successful with mass marketing campaigns. We tend to pick up customers one at a time, often through referrals. It may not be as efficient, but the relationships have a solid foundation.

Gallegos
We do have a fair number of agents who do not embrace the newer technologies that have become prominent in the industry such as e-policy delivery and drop ticket application submission. In these cases, we do not push those agents to change. Additionally, we strive to maintain communication with them in the ways they are accustomed to. In many cases that is making sure status is called in to them (or their office administrative staff) or speaking to their offices prior to policy issue-situations where newer agents and agencies are accustomed to working via email or direct website access.

Thomas
We feel that even though we are finding technology helping us with becoming more efficient we still rely on tactics like hand written thank you notes and phone calls instead of email to stay relevant to “old school” advisors.

Q. What are some key ways the thinking of the younger generation has been instrumental in the growth of your agency?

Felton
They see things differently than you do. Each generation has different views on what is important and this is helpful in developing marketing and sales presentations. The “old” way of doing things may have become old, and having a younger set of eyes on what is important is a good thing. Also let them make mistakes. The best way to learn is to make mistakes and it is important that you let them try things you may not agree with because they might also be right!

LaMarche
The younger generation is more focused on transactional business so technology and simplified process is key to them. It has made our agency more efficient.

Gilbert
I think the “Pandora’s Box” of technology infiltrating and slowly transforming how a carrier, BGA and ultimately the producer does business has already begun. I am always humbled by how the younger generation embraces these changes as just the newest and best way to do business and immediately implements and starts improving on the new technology and processes. Firms that have embraced the next generation and new technology have an advantage over those that do not. It is just that simple.

Mooers
I’m sure others can speak to that better than I can. Generally, though, I love the fearless nature of some of the younger generation. There’s an attitude of courage, and proactive mentality, in many. Definitely not in all-you have to find the right ones.

Gallegos
This is a great question–the younger generation’s move to newer, faster technologies has been great to push us to improve our operational efficiencies. As I noted before, e-policy delivery and drop ticket are just a few. The ability to quote cases on smart phones, having 24/7 access to a case’s status, and the use of website tools for things like carrier training and product information are also great time savers. This push by the next generation has in turn made carriers move to become more efficient as well. The industry is becoming more streamlined, from the carrier level, to BGAs, to the traditional and non-traditional agent. As the industry evolves and improves, so does the consumer experience. These improvements benefit us all, allowing carriers, BGA’s and agents to expand distribution and to provide faster and easier access for consumers.

Thomas
The younger generation grew up using technology, so when we went to start incorporating new technology into the agency they were a big part of those conversations in understanding how those changes can positively change the company.

Q. What “old” is still essential, what “new” is inevitable and how does your agency build for the future?

Felton
Relationships are still the things that are most important regardless of how old they are. People do business with people they like…that will never change. You need to explore new markets to continue to grow your business. New markets will require new relationships and being willing and able to do that is very important.

LaMarche
Broker urgency is essential for the old. Point of Sale help is critical for the new.

Gilbert
We are a boutique agency by most measures. What has allowed us to remain competitive and relevant in the marketplace is our desire to develop technology that will assist in making our producers’ lives easier. Contrary to what you hear, there are a lot of producers out there writing the products that we sell. The reason they don’t write them with us or with you is that they haven’t heard our or your value proposition. Be ready to accept a faxed app and then turn around and suggest trying e-policy delivery. You can click here for options to help you handle that. You my just find a rep that has been labeled “old school” just because he didn’t know he could get policies electronically or submit that app through a drop ticket platform. Teach while you sell and in my opinion the reps will stay with you longer.

Mooers
It’s the whole “art vs. science” debate if you ask me. The process of securing a life policy can be so different today-drop ticket, e-app, no exam, accelerated underwriting, e-policy delivery… It’s pretty easy to buy and sell a life policy without talking to anybody, really. And I think, with the efficiency and cost savings of these processes, that they’re inevitable. But I still love to talk to agents about cases, and I love to fight with underwriters. All day long.

Gallegos
The old that is still as relevant as ever is the need to generate and maintain authentic relationships. This is true from carrier to BGA, from BGA to agent, and from agent to consumer. The trusted advisor is a foundation of the industry, and that only exists if the relationships forged are genuinely based on what is good for everyone with a goal of delivering quality product and advice to those who need it.

The new that is inevitable is simple. The industry has undergone a dramatic change over the last decade due to the pervasiveness of new technologies. From the BGA/agent side, delivering fast, accurate, efficient services is key. From the carrier side, streamlined underwriting, the efforts to move to predictive analytics, and embracing new ideas and technologies is helping to deliver the experience consumers are demanding.

Thomas
We believe the old is that insurance products still have to sold. Someone has to make the first outreach for planning to begin. The new is how the product will be delivered to the client. With more and more accelerated underwriting options available and faster turnaround times it will improve how we deliver policies to middle America but it will still need to be sold with the guidance of an advisor.

Strong Foundations, Fresh Thinking

What is your advice regarding the issues of transition of ownership and of leadership within a multi-generation general agency?

Mooers
Don’t wait until somebody’s dead.  Makes it harder to get signatures.

Transition in a family business can be delicate.  Each situation is unique, and should be handled as such.  I’m a third generation principal here—my grandfather started the agency, handed it over to my uncle and my dad, and here I am today.  In one way we’ve been lucky.  My dad and my uncle were amazing partners, and while I have two siblings—both brothers, one older, one younger—they never expressed any interest in the family firm.  That has worked out, because while I love them both, they bug the daylights out of me.

The ownership structure here has struggled as well.   I’d do what we failed to do—keep it clean.  A family business can be a small or large part of an estate.  What’s fair isn’t always right, and vice versa.  Clean it up while all parties are able to participate, intellectually and emotionally.

 

Thomas
Transparency and communication is fundamental in the transfer of leadership within a multi-generation family business. We have always tried to keep everything fair, which is why there is no one person listed as the sole President and CEO.  Taking a team approach within the family has really helped us for three generations.

 

What steps does your agency take to maintain, respect and accommodate “old school” long-standing producer relationships?

Mooers
My uncle, the ubiquitous Douglas Mooers, retired the day I got there and urged me not to take it personally.  I thought it worked out nicely, because I had a nice desk on day one and I got to pretend I was the boss until about lunch.

My dad and I worked side by side, literally, until he died in 2005.  I’ll never be able to really explain all I learned from my dad; not about business (he used to share his business motto, “ignorance is bliss”, with anybody who would listen) but about relationships.  

 I remember coming in for the first time after he was gone, and it was like I was seeing the office, and the business, for the first time.  I set to work at becoming my dad and failed. Repeatedly.  

We lost some brokers.

Then I quit trying to be him and decided to be myself.  We lost more.

Today, I keep clawing back.  We enjoy dozens of relationships that go back beyond my time here, and that’s more than 25 years.

Oh dear.  I’m old.

 

Thomas
We obviously strive for electronic applications and simplified underwriting processes.  However, we don’t try to completely overhaul the way a producer conducts his or her business.  Our reps will mention newer ways of submitting business and newer product types, but at the end of the day we respect the way  producers want to write their business.

 

What are some key ways the thinking of the younger generation has been instrumental in the growth of your agency?

Mooers
I’ll never forget going back and forth with my dad about joining an Independent Marketing Group (IMO).  He was convinced we’d lose our autonomy, and the Mooers name had earned a respected place in the industry.  He kept coming up with reasons it wouldn’t work.  I finally did it, without his blessing, and when he saw the first bonus check he very nearly smiled.

I think any infusion of youth, and energy, and perspective, is a plus.  Not everything shiny should be grabbed, but we are fortunate to be in an industry where opportunities never stop presenting themselves.  Agility and open-mindedness are critical.

 

Thomas
Implementing innovative technology and processes have helped the growth of our agency.  Additionally, we market our young staff as a reason to do business with us.  One thing that I can provide (Kurt, 29-years old) that a 60-year old agent cannot always provide is lifelong service and being there come claim time.

 

What “old” is still essential, what “new” is inevitable and how does your agency build for the future?

Mooers
This industry will never not be people—as much as we may try to automate it.  We share stories and we relate experiences.  We get to help people—from the heart—who deserve help.

A machine has never really done me a favor.  And I need a lot of favors.

I’ll admit, personally, I’m slow to change.  But that’s not always a bad thing.  We’ve all seen the next great efficiency movement, followed by the trend that goes “back to the basics.”

We really do just try to keep it simple.

 

Thomas
This is a relationship business and that won’t ever change.  Being in front of our producers and having face-to-face communication strengthens our producer relationships.  We consistently need to provide our producers with current ideas to maintain relevance.  We are building for the future by proactively marketing point of sale support. 

Don’t Sell LIRP, Present The Insurance Wrapper

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Over the holidays I was chatting with a group of people when Joe asked me what I do for a living.

“I sell life insurance,” I said.

I braced myself for the typical response—a flatly stated, “Oh yeah, I already have life insurance,” as if I were suddenly making a sales pitch on the spot.  Or the other common response, which tends to be a long series of questions about whether they need life insurance.

However, to my surprise, his eyes lit up with excitement.

“I just bought life insurance,” he said enthusiastically.

I learned how Joe’s advisor worked their way backward in explaining life insurance benefits and positioned a cash value life insurance accumulation strategy without losing the client to all the jargon or product analysis. Instead of trying to sell Life Insurance Retirement Planning (LIRP), Joe’s advisor presented the “Insurance Wrapper.” 

Joe’s advisor took a more creative approach to prospecting a client than we traditionally see. All too often I see presentations explaining reasons why one product is better than another, but rarely do I see a presentation on how to prospect a client and present them with the idea of an accumulation strategy.  

As insurance experts it’s easy to take for granted complexities of life insurance and thus leave a potential client confused about what their investment is. In my experience with people who have bought cash value life insurance, they still feel hesitation and usually lapse the policy due to a lack of understanding of what and why they purchased cash value life insurance. 

While talking to Joe, I learned he recently purchased some permanent life insurance and felt confident it was the best move he made in his financial plan.  I wanted to know how his advisor left him feeling assured and confident with his investment, so I asked him why he purchased. Joe said, “2008, taxes, and bonds.” 

2008
Joe is an investment banker, and in 2008 he saw a large portion of his equity-based portfolio drastically fall in value—this was his first major loss in the market.  His strategy was always aggressive and, as a result of this loss, he realized that one major event prior to retirement using his current strategy could leave him in a poor position to retire on time.  He wanted to maintain an aggressive qualified portfolio, but also wanted to back it up with a more conservative piece; therefore, he knew in times of poor performance he had another asset to pull income from while he let his equities rebound.  He also knew he wanted to keep equities inside his qualified plans because he could limit the tax implications of short term capital gains. He needed to find a vehicle where he could put away assets that would experience moderate growth, that had similar tax advantages to qualified plans, and would diversify his overall portfolio.   

Taxes
His current income disqualifies him for a Roth IRA, and through uses of different qualified plans he maxes out the 415(c) contribution which was $53,000 for 2016. Currently his assets sit in qualified defined contribution plans that will be taxed upon distribution. He realized his problem would not be accumulation but would be the taxes on the distributions coming out of his qualified plans.  He was looking for another way to secure more for retirement that would at least allow him to accumulate tax free without having to use the funds inside his qualified plan to do so.

Stock Market and Bonds
The stock market is at an all-time high.  We have been in a bull market for over eight years, one of the longest in the last 100 years. We all know this won’t last forever and that there must be a correction. We also know that the longer the bull market lasts, the harder the bear market can hit. But there is another issue that makes this problem more unique.  Most financial advisors place their clients in a financial plan that has a 60/40 approach (equities/bond ratio).  The issue with a 60/40 approach at this point in time is that interest rates are rising.1  With rising interest rates bonds that have been purchased will be negatively impacted.  If there is a mere one percent change in interest rates over the next year, the average corporate bond will be negatively impacted by -7.05 percent based on the MorningStar Category Averages.2  This would be the first time during a bear market where equities and bonds would be negatively impacted.  Based on this analysis, the client wanted to diversify his overall plan, and specifically a portion of his bond portfolio, so that he could mitigate risk away from the guaranteed income side of his financial plan. 

Making life insurance work for the client
Joe’s advisor looked at his problems and saw a potential solution.  The advisor also realized that if he showed the client a cash value life insurance policy proposal first, Joe would immediately shut down the idea due to his preconceived notion of life insurance.  Therefore, the advisor broke down Joe’s goals before showing him a step-by-step plan.  

  1. Client wants to position a portion of his retirement assets in a low risk solution so the rest of his qualified money can grow aggressively.
  2. Client wants to position those assets in a tax-friendly vehicle to reduce his taxes on accumulation and possibly distribution.
  3. Client wants to diversify his bond portfolio due to the negative impact interest rates will have on his bond portfolio.

Presenting the “Insurance Wrapper”
Now the advisor has Joe’s attention, and Joe asks “so what is the solution?”  The advisor didn’t say you need a cash value life insurance policy, he said, “We need to allocate funds into an ‘Insurance Wrapper’.” The advisor went on to explain that, due to the unique qualities of cash value life insurance, Joe can use an insurance wrapper to grow assets tax free, reduce or eliminate taxes on distributions, and diversity his portfolio to mitigate some of the risk we see on the horizon. The advisor broke it down into steps again:

  1. I have a solution that will allow your money to grow moderately and will allow you to continue to be aggressive inside of your qualified plan while still providing a financial backbone to your retirement.
  2. This solution will grow tax free. If you decide to take distributions, if structured correctly these distributions can come out tax free. What most people do is use this solution when the market is underperforming. This allows you to take a distribution from this account while letting your other assets rebound.  (American College “Smooth Sailing in Uncertain Times”)3
  3. You can reposition your bond portfolio using this solution to limit some of the risk you will face as interest rates start to rise, helping you diversify your bond portfolio.  

The advisor showed the client that there was a solution that provided him with the answers to his problems.  Instead of positioning it as cash value life insurance from the beginning, he worked his way backward and he positioned the plan as an insurance wrapper on his retirement assets.  This helped the advisor show what the advantages to cash value life insurance are without the client being turned off to the solution due to preconceived notions. 

When you have a client looking for a solution, and the answer is a cash value life insurance policy, rather than starting out with the product, first work your way backward.  Instead of presenting the solution as cash value life insurance, present the solution as an “Insurance Wrapper”.   This will help you clearly present what it is you are solving without turning the client off from the beginning.

References:

1. https://personal.vanguard.com/us/insights/saving-investing/model-portfolio-allocations

2. http://news.morningstar.com/fund-category-returns

3. http://retirement.theamericancollege.edu/sites/amcol-nylcri/files/TWCMFall2014_25_29.pdf