Over the years, I witnessed a few families that experienced a loved one’s death and had to go through the probate process. A couple of decades ago I actually had to go through the probate process. Not only did we go through probate, my dad died without a will—also known as dying intestate.. That is what I call “probate on steroids.” So, over the years I have become painfully familiar with the process of probate and can say that it can be an absolute nightmare for family members to deal with. It creates a time drain and a huge amount of stress for the heirs of the deceased. In some cases, it can lead to family members having disagreements and becoming estranged from one another.
To me, what was once just a nice cherry on top for those products and strategies that “avoided probate” has become an extremely important benefit that I always communicate with my agents and clients.
Obviously, if I can help consumers avoid this nightmare I will. There are great tools that enable consumers to avoid probate, as we will discuss.
What is probate?
Probate is the process after somebody dies that a person‘s transfer of assets usually goes through. At a minimum you can figure on six to 12 months for the probate process and it can last years. The probate process is administered by a court and seeks to ensure the orderly transfer of assets to the heirs that have a right to inherit the property while at the same time making sure that all of the creditors are paid off from the estate. In short, probate protects the rights of the heirs and also the creditors.
Why does the world need probate?
Imagine a world where when somebody dies, the families were not required to go through a formal process for paying off the decedent’s mortgages, loans, etc. How could banks and mortgage companies get over the fact that when a person dies, they could be left high and dry? Furthermore, what if the distribution of property to each of the family members was not supervised? It would be chaos! You would have cage matches of siblings fighting over property without any legal supervision. The above are reasons that we have the probate process.
Do Wills avoid probate:
No! The process of probate is made a lot easier with a Will (Last Will and Testament), which is basically a roadmap for the judges and the attorneys to follow as the probate process progresses. Many people believe that a Will avoids probate. This is not true. Wills merely provide a roadmap for the probate process. Additionally, if you have minor children, a Will is where you would also state who should take your children in the case of you and/or your spouse were to pass away! Nobody wants a court to determine who will be the guardian of their children, which is what would happen if you died without a Will and no obvious guardian like a spouse, etc. So a Will is a good thing, but it is the very minimum that one should have as an estate plan.
Again, dying without a Will is known as dying intestate.” Dying intestate also uses the probate process but is made a lot more difficult because there is no roadmap/Will.
Methods of Estate Transfer:
Not all property needs to go through probate when one passes away. Generally, the assets can be transferred in four different ways. And if one has a great estate plan, the top three ways are how their assets pass:
- By Contract: Think of a life insurance policy, annuity, or an IRA which has a named beneficiary or “payable on death.” Probate is generally avoided. (Note: If “Estate” is listed as the beneficiary, it will go through probate!)
- Ownership Titling: Think of a piece of property owned “joint with rights of survivorship.” Or a piece of property owned by a “revocable trust” that has named beneficiaries. Probate is generally avoided.
- Rule of law: Some states (nine of them) are “Community Property States” where property acquired during marriage is considered jointly owned by the other spouse. In these states, when one spouse dies, the other spouse gets all of that “Community Property”. Probate is generally avoided.
- Probate!
The Probate Process:
For most estates, there is estate planning that can be done through the use of PODs (Payable on Death), TODs (Transfer on Death), beneficiary designations, and Trusts, that can completely avoid probate or make probate a very painless process. But, in the absence of such planning, what does the process look like?
Again, one can plan on a minimum of six months—at least in the state of Iowa—when it comes to dealing with the probate process. (Note: For smaller estates, there is a “Simplified Probate Process” that can be quicker.)
- Hire an Attorney: In the state of Iowa, the probate process requires the heirs to work with a licensed attorney.
- Open up the “Probate Estate.” This is the process of filing the Will with the district court in the county of residence, at least if there is a will. At that point in time a petition for probate is filed, and there is an executor that is appointed. The executor of the estate is somebody that was indicated in the Will. If there is no will, then the court will appoint the Executor of the estate. It is the Executor that manages the estate through the probate process until the end.
- Notice must be sent to all beneficiaries that an executor has been appointed for the process of managing the estate.
- Once the petition for probate is filed with a court, a “Notice of Petition for Probate” will need to be published in the newspaper where the deceased resided. That notice is basically a “Calling all creditors! Come and get your money.” It notifies creditors that if they have a claim to make against the estate, they must do so. In Iowa, they have four months from that point in time to make a claim against the estate.
- The executor must also file an inventory of all of the assets with the court. As I went through a couple of decades ago, understanding what all the assets were, how much they were worth, where the titles were, etc., was a daunting task. Rifling through your loved one’s mail is not a fun thing to do. This can take weeks, or months.
- After all the creditors have been paid off, the property can be distributed to the beneficiaries. This can be easier said than done if there is real estate and automobiles that need to be retitled.
The above does not even include the activities outside of probate, like filing final tax returns and paying any estate/inheritance taxes (if applicable).
Much of the above can be avoided by consumers speaking with a financial professional that understands estate planning. For instance, virtually every piece of property that my dad owned could have been owned by a Revocable Trust. This would have allowed him to keep 100 percent control of all of his assets but at the same time avoid any of the above probate processes.
What about the cost? In the whole scheme of things, a Revocable Trust can be very cheap. Depending on the amount of assets, the trust can cost anywhere from a few hundred dollars up to a couple thousand dollars. This is actually very cheap considering the cost of probate. In the state of Iowa, probate can range between two percent and five percent of the probate estate! The attorneys and judges do not work for free!
At a very minimum, you need a Will! In Iowa the Will must be “witnessed” by two competent people and also notarized.
Again, the Will is oftentimes the bare minimum as it does not avoid probate. Oftentimes a complete estate plan includes four items: 1. Revocable Trust; 2. Pour-Over Will; 3. Durable Power of Attorney; and, 4. Advance Directives (regarding care and end of life treatment). These documents are a topic for another article.
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Options For Being A Registered Rep And Also Selling Indexed Annuities
“Charlie, what should I do?”
This is the question I am often asked by financial professionals on what they should do when it comes to getting set up with their securities license while also wanting to sell indexed annuities. Even folks that are already securities licensed will ask me this question occasionally, because they are looking for easier ways to offer both securities and indexed annuities. Because of technical reasons and history, the answer to the question is not as easy as “get an insurance license for the annuities and a broker-dealer for the securities.” We will discuss the issues that surround my typical response to the above question.
First, I want to preface my article with some terminology. I do not want to assume that everybody understands the vernacular I will use below. So, let’s first discuss what types of agents/reps there are, who can sell what products, who “supervises” the sale, etc.
A couple of points: The first is, we all have our “supervisors,” whether you are an agent, a registered rep, or an investment advisor. Also, you can be all three of the above, as I am. So yes, I report to the states for my insurance license, I also have a broker-dealer that just conducted their compliance review in my office, and I also have a registered investment advisory firm that I work with where I am able to offer fee-based planning products and services. It seems I spend half my life doing continuing education to satisfy all of these “bosses.”
Options for Registered Reps Around Indexed Annuities
If you are a registered rep or want to become a registered rep while also having the ability to write indexed annuities, here are my thoughts.
In 2005, the NASD (which is now FINRA) announced to their broker-dealer member firms that they (the NASD) would “recommend” that broker-dealers supervise the sale of indexed annuities that their registered reps sell, even though indexed annuities were not securities (as later confirmed with SEC 151a being vacated). It was basically a suggestion, an urging, a nudge, a proposition, which left many broker dealers wondering, “Is this a mandate or merely a suggestion?” This suggestion/urging/proposition was called “Notice to Members 05-50” and what ultimately led many broker-dealers to this day to take “jurisdiction” over your indexed annuity sales! That is, that most BDs now require your indexed annuity business to flow through them, similar to securities. That also means that the broker-dealer is generally taking a cut of your commission based on your “grid” that is usually applied only to your securities business.
Option 1. Choose Wisely
Whether you are a registered rep looking for suggestions on changes you can make to make your indexed annuity life easier, or if you are a newbie getting ready to get your registered rep license, here is what I would say: There are broker-dealers that are fairly “hands off” with your indexed annuity business, and some that are extremely intrusive. Choose wisely. I can also help with recommendations.
An example of a “hands off” broker-dealer would be one that understands that indexed annuities are not securities and says that they do not even want to see the signed applications, etc., for indexed annuities. No BD supervision and no cut of your indexed annuity commission. Similar to how a typical BD would treat a term life insurance case. These types of broker dealers allow you to conduct your fixed insurance business the way you did prior to NASD 05-50.
An example of a broker dealer that is extremely intrusive would be this one: I know a major BD that not only mandates that indexed annuity business flow through them, but they also mandate that all life insurance flow through them. They use the excuse of NASD 05-50 to take authority over even the fixed life insurance products! This means the BD gets a cut of the agent’s/rep’s commission as well. Furthermore, this broker dealer has its own general agency in house that the agents are required to use, versus the agents’ preferred IMO. And that general agency does extraordinarily little to train their agents on fixed insurance products. This BD (along with their general agency) is an order taker, not a business partner. Not trying to disparage anybody, just laying out the spectrum of BDs!
Option 2: Go the “IAR” Route
Since NASD 05-50, the number of registered reps in our country has fallen. Some registered reps have ditched their broker-dealers and instead aligned with RIA firms. When it comes to the securities businesses, these reps have chosen to give up commissions and go the fee based/recurring revenue route. In other words, many of these folks moved from my category two (registered rep) to my category three (IARs).
How does being an IAR help you with the indexed annuity/fixed insurance business? In short, RIAs generally do not touch your commission-based business, such as indexed annuities, life insurance, etc. What this means is, by affiliating with an RIA firm, you can generally go about your insurance business the way you would as if you were not securities licensed while at the same time being able to offer securities if the need calls for it. Of course, the securities revenue you receive would be based on a fee, one percent of assets under management for example.
I would estimate that for my group of financial professionals getting licensed today to sell securities, about 80 percent of them choose the IAR route versus the registered rep route. For those that are already registered reps, some of them are ditching their Series 6s and 7s to go the IAR route.
Option 3: Forget the Securities License
In a world that is becoming more “regulatory,” I am on the side of having a securities license and not choosing this option. My opinion is exacerbated by recent lawsuits that I have read surrounding “source of funds” issues. In other words, insurance agents are getting sued for selling fixed insurance products (annuities) to consumers because these agents allegedly made recommendations to sell the securities the clients currently owned in order to fund the annuity. Even though the sale was not a securities sale, our rule makers are taking the stance that discussing and recommending that the client sell out of securities means that the agent should also have a securities license.
Of my three options above, #2 is where I see the most activity.